the worst words to have ever been said.
"I know about the jobs and our VP w/his whole secret meetings and what not and all that, but anything to keep us here, anything to protect us in other words".....
Mimi, a great man once said, actually not a great man, an actor, who was playing a priest once said. "the triumph of evil is not the growth of evil men, but the indifference of good men".
and a great man, Henry David Thoreau, a known anarchist, once said, "so many people fighting at the branches of evil, only one man fighting at the root."
keep those two things in mind, because they are the reason why I am typing this.
numero uno: You're trading your freedom for safety, ah yes the eternal struggle, freedom vs. safety. Would you trade your freedoms, your rights, just so you can have this feeling of "safety". I find that very funny, because you think that Bush is the only one that will keep you safe. Do you not think that ANYBODY running for president worries for the safety of their country? Do you honestly think that kerry is just going to give america away to these "terrorists"? Are you THAT naive? Also, Bush is going to protect us, I recall a certain 9/11 commission OFFICIALLY STATING that the Bush administration ignored the warnings of the clinton administration about how Al Queida was planning on attacking our country using airplanes. Man, what protection, wow, I feel safe already!
rebuttal: Oh well, we ignored the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S warnings, so its actually clinton's fault for not stopping him first.
reply: bubububullshit. If we're having such a hard time finding Usama, do you honestly think that clinton had him on the palm of his hand? Once again, do you honestly believe this propaganda? are you THAT naive? So far, what bush has done is NOTHING to protect us. He took advantage of this terrorism to a: gain control of iraqi oil, B: expand the United State's Hegemony by terrorizing its own people, scaring them into giving up their rights for so called "security", and those, like me, who have the balls to stand up to it are deemd "unpatriotic" and as carlos so eloquently put it "am allowing more 9/11's to happen because i'm against bush" Shit why don't you just brand me a terrorist send me to guantanamo, deny me a lawyer, and the right to see my family and torture me because i'm a "suspected terrorist." Congratulations Mimi, because you want to feel safe, an innocent man is suffering, being sodomized, terrorized, tortured, oh and what do you do to allow this? "oh well you act as if this has never happened before" No I am not acting as this has never happened before, I know this has happened before, that Is why I've always been into politics. That is why I have always stood up for those who are being held wrongfully. That is why I "fight". Oh and no matter what president, america is always going to take immediate action when it feels threatened. Kennedy, FDR, Clinton, Bush I, are prime examples. Its not just Bush lady. History has proven that whenever america feels threatened, they do take up arms. I thought you knew that mimi, for a girl who is always accusign me of not "know my hisotry" you sure have a hard time remembering yours.
numero dos: Mimi, You are actually allowing bad things happen because, like you put it, "everything is flawed" Someone who realizes this, and doesn't do anything about it, fooor shaaaaame. Not everything lives on power and greed, I don't. So guess what, that makes your statement flawed.
"Don't be naive rennie, you with your implications that America is totally equal and good and great and has never faltered" I have never said that. If anything all my life I have said that america is flawed, its governmetn is flawed, its people believe that they can acheive happiness with clothign, and material possessions. Once again, I am the one that is trying to change this. And there is many people like me,.
"It's corrupt, no one says you have to conform to it, but in the end, you most likely will... somehow i think you know that. -M"
That sentence made me sad. Because, you actually believe I will conform to a corrupt nation. Once again, and also, you are allowing yourself to conform to so much evil. WWJD lady.
so in the end, I will continue to fight, I will continue to protest, I will continue to try to change this world because I will not rest until I have at least changed something. And I will never conform to it. Not even in the end......and apparently you will.......foor shaaaaaaame.
Mimi, a great man once said, actually not a great man, an actor, who was playing a priest once said. "the triumph of evil is not the growth of evil men, but the indifference of good men".
and a great man, Henry David Thoreau, a known anarchist, once said, "so many people fighting at the branches of evil, only one man fighting at the root."
keep those two things in mind, because they are the reason why I am typing this.
numero uno: You're trading your freedom for safety, ah yes the eternal struggle, freedom vs. safety. Would you trade your freedoms, your rights, just so you can have this feeling of "safety". I find that very funny, because you think that Bush is the only one that will keep you safe. Do you not think that ANYBODY running for president worries for the safety of their country? Do you honestly think that kerry is just going to give america away to these "terrorists"? Are you THAT naive? Also, Bush is going to protect us, I recall a certain 9/11 commission OFFICIALLY STATING that the Bush administration ignored the warnings of the clinton administration about how Al Queida was planning on attacking our country using airplanes. Man, what protection, wow, I feel safe already!
rebuttal: Oh well, we ignored the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S warnings, so its actually clinton's fault for not stopping him first.
reply: bubububullshit. If we're having such a hard time finding Usama, do you honestly think that clinton had him on the palm of his hand? Once again, do you honestly believe this propaganda? are you THAT naive? So far, what bush has done is NOTHING to protect us. He took advantage of this terrorism to a: gain control of iraqi oil, B: expand the United State's Hegemony by terrorizing its own people, scaring them into giving up their rights for so called "security", and those, like me, who have the balls to stand up to it are deemd "unpatriotic" and as carlos so eloquently put it "am allowing more 9/11's to happen because i'm against bush" Shit why don't you just brand me a terrorist send me to guantanamo, deny me a lawyer, and the right to see my family and torture me because i'm a "suspected terrorist." Congratulations Mimi, because you want to feel safe, an innocent man is suffering, being sodomized, terrorized, tortured, oh and what do you do to allow this? "oh well you act as if this has never happened before" No I am not acting as this has never happened before, I know this has happened before, that Is why I've always been into politics. That is why I have always stood up for those who are being held wrongfully. That is why I "fight". Oh and no matter what president, america is always going to take immediate action when it feels threatened. Kennedy, FDR, Clinton, Bush I, are prime examples. Its not just Bush lady. History has proven that whenever america feels threatened, they do take up arms. I thought you knew that mimi, for a girl who is always accusign me of not "know my hisotry" you sure have a hard time remembering yours.
numero dos: Mimi, You are actually allowing bad things happen because, like you put it, "everything is flawed" Someone who realizes this, and doesn't do anything about it, fooor shaaaaame. Not everything lives on power and greed, I don't. So guess what, that makes your statement flawed.
"Don't be naive rennie, you with your implications that America is totally equal and good and great and has never faltered" I have never said that. If anything all my life I have said that america is flawed, its governmetn is flawed, its people believe that they can acheive happiness with clothign, and material possessions. Once again, I am the one that is trying to change this. And there is many people like me,.
"It's corrupt, no one says you have to conform to it, but in the end, you most likely will... somehow i think you know that. -M"
That sentence made me sad. Because, you actually believe I will conform to a corrupt nation. Once again, and also, you are allowing yourself to conform to so much evil. WWJD lady.
so in the end, I will continue to fight, I will continue to protest, I will continue to try to change this world because I will not rest until I have at least changed something. And I will never conform to it. Not even in the end......and apparently you will.......foor shaaaaaaame.
posted by ingenium at 12:52 AM
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Wait wait wait, FIRST OF ALL, this whole bullshit about blaming and ridiculously pointing fingers at who to blame for 9/11 is absurd #1. Second of all they completely politicized 9/11, what was an attack on this nation that we rose from, united together from, grew closer from for like five seconds is being politicized--i think...wait..i think they call it politics. Yeah thats the word. THIS IS ALL POLITICS(beating the middleman out no matter what it takes, finding favor amongst the people,lies, propaganda, u name it)--point blank YES they did "get after" BOTH administrations, bush AND clinton, havent u heard? But then again, you proably knew that already since youre so "on top of things" huh? "Not everything lives on power and greed, I don't. So guess what, that makes your statement flawed." hehehe yeah right. What? they live on milk and honey, rennie? Is that it? cause if that works, then tell me. You claim you want to change this world, how are you gonna do that? By being nice? By having no power? No greed in the process whatsoever? tell me, whats your plan? Another thing,You are HUMAN! No matter how much you wanna deny it or fight it, you are human meaning you are selfish, but at the same time are capable of kindness ah but at the same time what's the word...ah yes!--you are IMPERFECT. And btw u need to re-read youre reply sum of it doesnt make sense and is a little contradicting. First of all: SUFFERING, lives taken, come with the territory no matter if your fighting for safety, for rights, whatever. Rarely have you heard of successful outcomes that didnt have the sligtest of casualities or of any sorts of injuries. And i'm allowing bad things to happen? Righhhttt. "Congratulations Mimi, because you want to feel safe, an innocent man is suffering, being sodomized, terrorized, tortured, oh and what do you do to allow this?" Because i want to feel safe, huh? LOL,OMG, RENNIE, ur funny. Ah, let's see shall we? Pearl Harbor my friend. We knew about it, we were threatened, ah but what happened? We underestimated Japanese Military power and the result? we got screwed. So "History has proven that whenever america feels threatened, they do take up arms."--Doesnt apply here so much. I know my history, i'm going to be teaching it. And yes rennie you will conform, You claim and stating of your high hopes of being a doctor one day, A DOCTOR...think about it. You'll get what i mean. It's inevitable, just like racism will never go away, poverty will never cease to be seen, and how i know no matter how much you may rant and rave about changing the world, you will still be considered and be ranked in the lowly state of minorites with the rest of us. Untill you have some kinda of power, recognition, money, or even "know people" who can take you places, or if you make a name for yourself through hard, descent work, then you're set. if not then you'll just be another college person who claims to know so much about the world and who speaks like as if they have LIVED i mean truly LIVED LIFE,with a head filled with dreams and hopes and ambitions, then yeah that's just all you'll ever be without what i've stated. SIGH, like i've always told you rennie, don't quit. I've never put u down. And even here, i refuse to. I love your efforts, but i'm just telling you what's really out there and what you apparently will forever be fighting for even if it means non recognition...best wishes, always...-M
you're not getting it lady.
"point blank YES they did "get after" BOTH administrations, bush AND clinton, havent u heard? But then again, you proably knew that already since youre so "on top of things" huh?"
yes I did know that, Because I am on top of things...thanks for noticing. Also, that was just me showing the "great job" bush is making to protect us. Since you actually believe you can trust your life with him. pfft. This isn't pointing fingers, this is stating the facts, 9/11 commission, the guys in charge of finding out how this happened, stated that Bush ignored clinton admin. warnings. so there goes your "bush can protect me" statement.
"hehehe yeah right. What? they live on milk and honey, rennie? Is that it? cause if that works, then tell me. You claim you want to change this world, how are you gonna do that? By being nice? By having no power? No greed in the process whatsoever? tell me, whats your plan?"
hay mimi, you're like at the other spectrum of naive, like, you think you know something but you don't. Not everybody gains power through money and greed. Not everyone lies and cheats. You just know more about the rockafellars, the Bushs, the Kennedies, because they were known to lie and cheat. And they are famous for diferent things. What I am going to do is quite simple, all I have to do is continue to protest, continue to speak, continue to vote, continue to do all of thsoe things I do. Sooner or later somebody is going to pay attention. And I don't have to gain power, There is already a superpower by which I am part of, its called the world public opinion. And the WPO beleives that the united states shouldn't be trusted. especially with that moron of a president.
"Another thing,You are HUMAN! No matter how much you wanna deny it or fight it, you are human meaning you are selfish, but at the same time are capable of kindness ah but at the same time what's the word...ah yes!--you are IMPERFECT."
wrong. imperfect duh. human duh. my genes say that. selfish no. I've given up my selfishness. I am capable of selfishness, that's what makes me imperfect, but i am a kind person, who is capapable of selfishness, not the other way around.
also, you have to stop it with this whole "when i'm losing an argument i come up with stuff and accuse the other guy of contradiction".
"SUFFERING, lives taken, come with the territory no matter if your fighting for safety, for rights, whatever."
that is why I was opposed to this war in the first place.....duh. Suffering may come with teh territory mimi, but wrongful suffering is still wrong. to torture someone who hasn't done anything wrong, or just torturing people in general, is still wrong. Just ask God, or even your clergy, to hurt an innocent man, God looks down on that sort of thing and doesn't make exceptions.
"Rarely have you heard of successful outcomes that didnt have the sligtest of casualities or of any sorts of injuries."
Ghandi. I win.
"LOL,OMG, RENNIE, ur funny. Ah, let's see shall we? Pearl Harbor my friend. We knew about it, we were threatened, ah but what happened? We underestimated Japanese Military power and the result? we got screwed."
nooooooo, FDR knew about pearl harbor and did nothing because he wanted to get into the war. Whcih is still funny because the majority of intelligent people wanted to get into the war too. But FDR didn't want to go through all of that congress crap. I do have to state though, that that is a theory, just as yours is too. and if you say that yours is fact i will hit you....not really hit you....just like ::hits:: or somethign like that. Because it isn't.
"Doesnt apply here so much. I know my history, i'm going to be teaching it."
yes it does, america was attacked, americans were out for blood, that's what afghanistan was for. guess what, america took up arms. do better history.
and now for my take on that last thing you said.
no I will not conform. I am a doctor, of course I will have money, but i will give a lot of it to charities, and churches, because its who I am. It's something I have always promised myself to do, and if I don't do it, I consider myself a hipocrit. and I will kick my own ass. then you can say i conformed.
"if you make a name for yourself through hard, descent work, then you're set."
about time you said somethign right.
"if not then you'll just be another college person who claims to know so much about the world and who speaks like as if they have LIVED i mean truly LIVED LIFE"
no, just no. living life to me is different than living life to you. You might think living life is all those typical things like going aroudn teh world, or seeing things. me, its helping others, and i've done it millions of times, charity work, misiones, I live life, its not a full life, but i've lived more in my short life than most people do their entire lives.
"SIGH, like i've always told you rennie, don't quit. I've never put u down. And even here, i refuse to. I love your efforts, but i'm just telling you what's really out there and what you apparently will forever be fighting for even if it means non recognition...best wishes, always...-M"
you put me down when you called me a democrat. That was an insult. I know what's really out there, ask carlos, he believes the world is essentially good, i believe the world is essentially evil, with its exceptions. ::cough: rennie :cough:
but there are also a few things you have to realize
greed and power, are two different things, if i ever do want to get power, i don't need to do it with greed. If I have money, it doesn't make me greedy, it means I have money,
and "knowing people" if I decide to know people, there's people out there that aren't greedy and evil.
"I don't have to gain power, There is already a superpower by which I am part of, its called the world public opinion. And the WPO beleives that the united states shouldn't be trusted. especially with that moron of a president." The UNTIED states shouldnt be trusted...Lemme say it again the UNITED STATES Emphasis on UNITED and STATES, shouldn't be trusted.(lol) Classic, classic. I love your usage of words, it doesnt make sense whatsoever. "wrongful suffering is still wrong. to torture someone who hasn't done anything wrong, or just torturing people in general, is still wrong." You don't seem to understand what "it comes with the territory" means. And correction: There is suffering for good causes and yes i'll agree there is wrongful suffering. But there's two not just one. "nooooooo, FDR knew about pearl harbor and did nothing because he wanted to get into the war. Whcih is still funny because the majority of intelligent people wanted to get into the war too." Oh wow, he didn't want to get into war! He was learning from the past, he didnt wanna get into another war, he promised he wouldnt for the sake and safety of the American people. "the majority of intelligent people wanted to get into the war too." that comment alone is just stupid. And your little theory makes no sense cause if he wanted war, he would of been prepared, not sitting around waiting for casualties to happen. "yes it does, america was attacked, americans were out for blood" Out for blood? Are u talking about vampires rennie? (ha) ah how disgraceful, the way you imply how American soldiers are. "What I am going to do is quite simple, all I have to do is continue to protest, continue to speak, continue to vote, continue to do all of thsoe things I do." And i'm the naive one? Come back to reality. You along with a billion other people are thinking the same way and tell me, how many of them do you know of make it w/o all encoutering any of those things i've mentioned? I find it nice what carlos thinks about people, but personally i dont think that way. Sure everyone may essentially be good but thats not essentially what truly defines who they really are. You gotta look at both light and dark in everything. Blah im tired, i wanna go on but i have an hour driving ahead of me on two hours of sleep. Smart, i know. Anyway, i'll finish this later. Wait, no i wont im not coming back till school starts. whatever, my final words: Listen to neto, i love his whole going global and fox news yadayada hehee, funni. Have a good summer, of whats left of it anyway. :)
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