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como se que nunca me hacen casooooo cuando pongo un comentario, decidi hacer un post, y asiii awebo lo leeran... tiene que ver con el post, de "Relevant" y es solo mi opinion, no lo tomen a mal, ni personal, es simplemente lo que pienso...
blah, blah, blah, es todo lo que lei, y lei cosillas de aqui, y cosillas de aca... asi iba a empezar el comentario pero me dije a mi mismo, si vaz a hacer un comentario que sea un comentario en serio y que valga la pena leer, cosa que en lo personal va a ser un poco dificil.
En fin, en mi opinion podemos ver al acto de ser terrorista, o terrorismo como una tactica, puede ser, es probable, pero ellos no lo ven asi, a ellos (terroristas, terrorismo) no creo que les importe tacticas, ellos matan por sus creencias, mas que nada, para ellos es una forma de vida, no creen en morir por su pais, si no por su dios... valgame el señor, estos dudes necesitan vidas...otra cosa, si, checo, si la situacion en las fronteras esta mal, hey en todo el pais, en todo el mundo en general esta mal, si, en unas partes menos que en otras, solo tiene que ver el tipo de relaciones que tienes, y con quien sales...
La verdad, es cierto lo que dice NATO, va a estar cabron deshacerte del terrorismo, o terroristas, pero no porque les tengamos miedo, o porque saben que asustan, o porque nunk sabemos que parte del mundo van a atacar, pero retomando lo que dije anteriormente, nunk se va a poder eliminar el terrorismo, porque es una cultura, y una forma de vida, digo desde pequeños se les instruye morir por su dios, si, si son mamadas, pero es lo que creen...
Otra cosa, carlos, tienes razon wey, el que nada debe nada teme, asi que si quieren ver que tipo de porno veo, y que tipo de revistas leo, o que tipo de papel de baño uso, que lo vean (ya se se preguntan, que lo vea quien? el gobierno, digo de eso se trata este argumento no?) yo mientras no quiera ser terrorista, o me convierta al Islam, no tengo porque dejar que me moleste que sepan que tipo de cosas hago, o porque no quieren que sepan? acaso uds. hacen bombas?, matan gente por las noches? yo no, por ende no me molesta
one...
blah, blah, blah, es todo lo que lei, y lei cosillas de aqui, y cosillas de aca... asi iba a empezar el comentario pero me dije a mi mismo, si vaz a hacer un comentario que sea un comentario en serio y que valga la pena leer, cosa que en lo personal va a ser un poco dificil.
En fin, en mi opinion podemos ver al acto de ser terrorista, o terrorismo como una tactica, puede ser, es probable, pero ellos no lo ven asi, a ellos (terroristas, terrorismo) no creo que les importe tacticas, ellos matan por sus creencias, mas que nada, para ellos es una forma de vida, no creen en morir por su pais, si no por su dios... valgame el señor, estos dudes necesitan vidas...otra cosa, si, checo, si la situacion en las fronteras esta mal, hey en todo el pais, en todo el mundo en general esta mal, si, en unas partes menos que en otras, solo tiene que ver el tipo de relaciones que tienes, y con quien sales...
La verdad, es cierto lo que dice NATO, va a estar cabron deshacerte del terrorismo, o terroristas, pero no porque les tengamos miedo, o porque saben que asustan, o porque nunk sabemos que parte del mundo van a atacar, pero retomando lo que dije anteriormente, nunk se va a poder eliminar el terrorismo, porque es una cultura, y una forma de vida, digo desde pequeños se les instruye morir por su dios, si, si son mamadas, pero es lo que creen...
Otra cosa, carlos, tienes razon wey, el que nada debe nada teme, asi que si quieren ver que tipo de porno veo, y que tipo de revistas leo, o que tipo de papel de baño uso, que lo vean (ya se se preguntan, que lo vea quien? el gobierno, digo de eso se trata este argumento no?) yo mientras no quiera ser terrorista, o me convierta al Islam, no tengo porque dejar que me moleste que sepan que tipo de cosas hago, o porque no quieren que sepan? acaso uds. hacen bombas?, matan gente por las noches? yo no, por ende no me molesta
one...
posted by wattafk at 4:06 PM
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hahahahaha i agree with everything he said.....
Like I said before the point is not that I'm afraid of a good police officer doing an investigation because he found out i once downloaded the anarchist cookbook. I am afraid of a bad police officer taking advantage of the fact that I once downloaded the anarchist cookbook to look into my personal life and blackmail me we personal information or something like that. The founders put roadblocks into the constitution to keep a corrupt government from happening not because they were afraid someone was going to find out about their illegal slave-humping.
So I'm finally back from LA, against the wishes of Neto, telling me to stay away from trains due to what happened in England. that' just a little something you would like to know.
Anyway, first things first, Checo you have your dilemmas confused, it is not Freedom vs. Justice, but Freedom vs. Safety. You do not sacrifice Freedom to establish Justice. On the contrary, Justice is established when more Freedom is alloted. And NO Safety and Justice are not synonymous.
See, Safety: (taken from www.m-w.com) 1 : the condition of being safe from undergoing or causing hurt, injury, or loss
Justice: 1 a : the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments b : JUDGE c : the administration of law; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity
2 a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair b (1) : the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) : conformity to this principle or ideal : RIGHTEOUSNESS c : the quality of conforming to law
3 : conformity to truth, fact, or reason : CORRECTNESS
So yeah, Freedom vs. Safety, because feeling safe has nothing to do with the path to righteousness. But under the hypothetical ruse that justice and safety were synonymous, and that we did follow the US constitution argument. We must remember that they had written the US constitution after gaining independance from England, who was being Tyrannical in itself and abusing the very powers that we don't want the PATRIOT act to abuse.
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To Carlos, You ask "who is in the right and who is in the wrong". The thing with this situation is that it is not a situation that where there is pros and cons. There is a reason why Neto posted those quotes in the "relevant" post. Whether or not he knew he was doing it, is irrelevant. But it shows that this has happened in History before. And there are many examples (Germany, England, Rome); but it shows that when people begin to choose to deny their rights to their government, especially to "feel safer" it usually leads down a downward spiral path to tyrannical oppression.
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to diegito
baahahahahahahahahahah, yeah.
jejej pinche diego.. no pos ta bueno
Ren he also stated DOMESTIC TRANQUILTY... why did u choose to ignore that?
I would like to clarify one thing first. If I am reading correctly Neto and Rennie your argument in one line is “what if the government abuses its power”.
To back up my assumption I present these quotes from both of you.
Neto “I am afraid of a bad police officer taking advantage of the fact that I once downloaded the anarchist cookbook to look into my personal life and blackmail me we personal information or something like that.” (Note or something like that)
Ren ”); but it shows that when people begin to choose to deny their rights to their government, especially to "feel safer" it usually leads down a downward spiral path to tyrannical oppression” (Note: usually)
In response to this ill state two arguments:
First … after briefly searching through Google for “Abuse of Patriot Act” I find no credible sources with factual evidence of the Government abusing its power held within the provisions of the Patriot Act. Now let’s remember Innocent until proven Guilty.
I do on the other hand find many that state that the Department of Justice finds no abuses of the patriot act. Now don’t get me wrong I am not say it can’t but just as you are stating it “may” happen I am saying it “may” not, “May” being a word used in situations where an outcome has not been determined.
On a side note the CBS story that comes out states claims not facts and so does the ACLU article. However this is besides the point I am trying to establish.
Second … putting aside all the gibberish and arguments and such …what this comes down to is what are we afraid of.
Neto and Ren u fear our government more than the terrorists
Checo and I fear the terrorists more than the government
Diego has not had his porno right taken away from him by either terrorist or government so hes kool.
We won’t ever change the way each of us feel about something. Therefore our claiming of fancy biased facts to one another is really quite futile.
Hehe I would also like to point out that Ren stated that Neto stated: “So I'm finally back from LA, against the wishes of Neto, telling me to stay away from trains due to what happened in England. that' just a little something you would like to know.”
Terrorism is obviously a problem … any better solutions?
i love it. bravo carlos bravo
and with that i bid this argument adieu.
neener neener i have both keyra videos
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Carlos you are arguing semantics. The argument isn't that it may or may not happen. The problem is that it can happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act#Alleged_abuses_under_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act
Anyway go here and look under the alleged abuses under the patriot act.
There are some pretty interesting uses of the Patriot act there including a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't seem to be related to terrorism. There was one that might affect you too. They used it to look up a guys ISP records because of copyright infringement. The case was not about downloading but it reasonably could be. So you might just wanna put back those illegal keyra videos.
oh yea and just a repeat.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Ben Franklin
There shall be no bidding adieu to this argument.
Carlos, I do see your point, I understand that you believe your government is "innocent" in all of this and is actually trying to protect you.
And as my brother and I were talking about, yes you are arguing semantics. it is irrelevant that whether or not it may or may not happen. The fact of the matter is that it has happened. You love quotes, remember that famous quote, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it . I am paraphrasing, but it states that same principle.
Now i am obviously still not convincing you because my statments are still "what if" statements to you. Well the thing is, that our government administrators, aren't the most honest people in the world. First of all, as we all know, in politics a person must bend his moral scruples here and there to go up the ladder. Now, go look into the history of those who are in charge in our government. they have done more than just bend their moral standards. Which is why I do not trust my government. You stated "innocent until proven guilty". They have already been proven guilty; many a time.
And trust me, I fear terrorism as well, which is why I stated the LA thing, that was the main reason why I stated it. Another reason why I stated it was because, I was trying to state that I would gladly take the train, and still have my freedoms, even with terrorism about. Now, I didn't choose to ignore Domestic Tranquility, reason being because...oh shit, gotta go back to work....there. Anyway what i'm trying to say is that I know that there is another way to solve this issue, one that could lead us to domestic tranquility. And could get rid of the PATRIOT act.
Oh and Mr. (or miss) anonymous, you stated that the sons of liberty were branded Terrorists. Yes they were, but I doubt very few americans support the terrorists of today. Although a better analogy that you could've used would have been the Communist black list, or the Salem witch trials. Which once again, are parts in history that lead to people suffering. So I think that we should learn from them, so we don't repeat it (hint hint ;) )
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